Dive rolls in a real fight?

Question

I have taken up many martial arts; including Muay Thai, BJJ, Judo, Noxing, and Savate, but i decided recently to take up Choy Lei Fut, and Wing Chun; i am currently learning dive rolls at this point, yet i want to know are these dive rolls actually effective in a real fight? Everytime i ask my teacher these kinds of question he goes Obi Wan on me, and says "Anything is effective if it is put to be effective".....-.- i know thats suppose to be wise enlightenment, and i get that i really do, but seriously how effective are these things?

Answer 1

Rule Number 1;



"REAL FIGHT" = IF YOU LOOSE THE FIGHT YOU ARE DEAD.



Anything less than that is a playground spat or a game/sport competition.



In a "REAL FIGHT" your best opportunity to stay alive is to be mobile. To be mobile means to stay on your feet and move. If you do not understand the concept of "Shoot and Scoot" mobility may not really mean anything to you. Distance is your friend and movement with proper reconnoitering equals distance.



If you are in a position where you feel like paying some kind of movie stunt man scenario and do a non warranted diving role, forward or at any angle you are limiting your mobility due to the fact that the roll was used at the wrong time. You are dead or at the least seriously injured.



If by chance, in a combative situation, where you are forced off balance and have the fortunate happen-stance to be separated from your foe to a degree that they are unable to role with you or recover from the dynamics of their motion quicker then you can from your dive roll, then you are more likely to be able to stay alive and inflict a stopping attack on your foe.



The pre-requisite is that the dive roll has got to be a natural flowing motion from the situation at hand, not "Hay, it might be time for me to do a dive roll and magically win this confrontation".



If you do go down to the ground in any life threatening confrontation it is by far best to be back on your feet as quickly and smoothly as possible. A dive roll can be one of the transitional techniques that teach you that smooth transition.



All that being said, if your goal is not true survival based martial arts and just want to play sports games, a dive roll will probably still get you stomped if you decided to do one at an inappropriate time. Basically for the same reasons as above.



All things have their place, and time, some things have only certain situations they should be used.



Some things are for training only.



I clearly delineate this to my students.



Always institute the KISS principle in combat.



K-keep

I-it

S-simple

S-Stupid!



I would also suggest that you stay with one base martial art until you understand all that it has to offer you. Watch the senior ranks closely. How do they move, what do they do, is that what you are looking for? You will learn a lot. You can branch out, but if you have no base you have no roots or stability. You can not easily add to a theory that is ungrounded. You will be tossed to and fro.

You also have to be humble enough to learn and not know before you have been taught.

Answer 2

Applying and kind of somersault, and many others in a specific combat is sort of a fancier method of having stabbed, it is going to no longer paintings. The most effective method "rolls" and different activities very similar to rolls are valuable in juijitsu, judo, any flooring combating type. Stand up combating, Good success. I spar plenty with different black belts, and there's no time to do any of the ones however specific moves. XMA and tricking are what I think you are deliberating and the ones are only for exhibit and for those who knockout anybody with a turn or a 2540 measure kick, you then simply obtained fortunate, SUPER fortunate. O If you are uncomfortable with near variety combating equivalent to grappling, then it can be great to preserve them away. Not always simply push, however use your elbows,forearm kicks and whatever to harm them to push them clear of you. If you are a blitzy kind fighter, then I might anticipate you are relatively rapid then that is well. But it is unsafe and difficult to get well hits if you are combating an overly skilled fighter. Also, for those who stumble upon anybody with a knife, it is great to run clear of a main issue like that. It's greater for those who reside than threat your lifestyles or despite the fact that it is only a stab.

Answer 3

They're not effective for fighting someone, but if you're stumbling and falling, they can save you damage if you tuck and roll. I've also had someone catch a kick and had to roll out of it because I was off-balanced. It's not a fighting maneuver, but it can prevent you from breaking your bones in a fall. They're basically a close relative of the break falls you probably (or should have) learned in Judo.

Answer 4

Sandman,



I think dive rolls are effective in teaching you how to fall and get up quickly. I would never use these to cover distance or as a technique in a self defense situation. Just my two cents:)

Answer 5

You never have to use them unless you need to dive away from some offensive action and need to be able to regain your balance and stance quickly to avoid being taken down while you are prone or off balance or not ready to defend yourself. They are useless unless you need to be poised and balanced in a bad situation. You will never need it unless you need it. Then you should probably have it. Maybe you should learn it now, just in case. Moments are worth a lifetime in a bad situation.

Answer 6

It couldn't hurt to learn them as in a fight you may be thrown to the ground and learning to dive roll will teach you to get back on your feet quickier and regain your stance.