Question:
martial arts and things to learn?
Joseph Casson
2012-01-26 05:51:20 UTC
I read the book of five rings by miyamoto musashi recently and it talks about being aware of many ways of how people train and practice. I am inspired to learn the ways of other arts outside of ones I have studied before hand as my life goes on in order to better myself as a martial artist

heres my history: taekwondo, a brief stint in Shaolin Kung Fu, Karate, Judo and 4 years in the Bujinkan. Ive done a bit of a mix and Ive been looking at other arts that's principles and teachings compliment what I am doing now

I was tempted to look into Aikido recently.

Any recommendations? Im not blackbelted in any of these by the way because I moved too far from each dojo as my life went on, except the bujinkan dojo which I am nearing 3rd kyu (which isnt anything special)

Im not concerned by grades and belts, I just want too learn the principles and at the end of the day become a capable martial artist. I know a lot of black belts out there who get the grades given to them like candy and cant fight to save their life. I want to learn to be a compentant fighter, regardless of the coloured cloth around my waist.
Six answers:
?
2012-01-26 07:47:36 UTC
https://answersrip.com/question/index?qid=20111013042944AATiCMQ



Others have asked us about aikido principles and I just did a search and got that previous answer of mine.



The people who answered that question, actually trains in aikido and they also, as a bonus, understand aikido principles, not just techniques.



Aikido is what I call a hybrid internal/external art. Whereas kyokushin karate is external and focuses on using muscle power or speed, aikido focuses on body weight and its momentum, but the reflexes required for it derive from external branches of sword jutsus or technique lineages, so that's why I call it a "hybrid". A lot of aikido's techniques were designed in mind that the user was a samurai or at least had another weapon in hand to use, such as jo, bo, sword or dagger. Thus if they lost their weapon, got disarmed, or somehow got tackled, they can use "aikijutsu" now. Aikido is the modern, gendai, interpretation of the same.



I'm not going to recommend one take aikido. All I will do is help explain so that people can understand the intellectual concepts.



The Book of Five Rings, like the Art of War, is very deep. Rereading it when you have gained more experience and wisdom, will unlock even more insights.



From previous questions I've asked, there is a general consensus amongst certain groups of individuals here in this section that if you have a solid background in external training, you can make good use of aikido training methods. Especially if you know the destructive side of lethal force techniques or crippling joint breaks. Aikido then moderates that and teaches more control and variations.



Many people try to learn aikido by using the least amount of force, when they don't even know how t use the maximum amount of force to get it done. Others here like JWBulldogs or other karateka often described how they learned to not use their muscular power in aikido, whereas before they thought they were already "soft". That is certainly true for those that learned grappling in karate and throwing in judo, compared to them at least they were much softer. So it's much better to start from the latter, than the former. Learn to use maximum force, effectively, then use aikido's training methodology to train the use of no force.



I don't grade people's understanding or abilities based upon their belt. I grade it based upon what the individual can demonstrate. Someone who fully understands the Art of War, in both its intellectual, spiritual, and pragmatic realms, has a very good chance of defeating black belts that have not, even though they are fighting a black belt with a white belt.



P.S. You will often hear aikidoka speak of "ki" or "blending". Ki is basically bio-mechanics dealing with bone structure and how the muscles work. If you want to delve into the other aspects of ki, you will have to learn Chi in Chi Gong, Chinese, lines. This can be found in internal arts such as Tai Chi Chuan. As for "blending", that's basically another way of saying "get close enough so you can control their center of gravity with your own". It's basically the same thing as in a hip throw. You replace their base, with your base, now you can carry someone, on your hips, and throw them whenever you like, cause they are now on your base, not their own.
Jim R
2012-01-26 06:53:00 UTC
There are a lot of ways people train. I sense you seek advanced knowledge, but are not seeking it in the right place. You have listed several things that you have gained some very basic things from. Every time you change, you begin again with the very basics, and the basics are somewhat different between styles. I once knew a guy who had green belts in several styles. When he was done with me he had a green belt in shotokan too. He had 25 or more years into this, and he had green belt skills. I would strongly advise you to find something you can stick with until about 2nd or 3rd dan (or equivalent) so you can assimilate something from the others that actually makes sense to you. You must reach the dan ranks before advanced learning can begin, so stick with some program until you have the information to make all the rest useful to you as well. Good luck.
Liondancer
2012-01-26 07:40:30 UTC
I agree with Jim R. having only basics from many different styles is still just basics nothing more. At one point you need advanced knowledge. For example a punch in basics is just a punch to a target area. A punch for a more advanced student can be a block, like a punch to the arm of someone who throws a hook punch. More precision and timing is required. An even more advanced student will be able to block with the punching motion, blocking and punching in one move, generating power from your opponent's technique too. By now a punch is not simply a punch anymore. It has advanced in timing, not just your own of body, arm and fist but also with your opponent's timing. To develop that level of skill takes time and much dedicated training and can not be achieved by style jumping.

If you are interested in learning how other styles fight and how to counter go to a tournament and watch traditional martial artists fight. You can learn a lot from that alone which for now should be sufficient. You do not need every little detail in all the styles to figure this out. Good knowledge in one traditional martial art will reveal many things if you had a good teacher including how other styles fight and how they use their body to generate power. You should be able to see this just from watching.
anonymous
2012-01-29 14:44:27 UTC
Anyone can go into a sports shop and buy a black belt, it doesnt mean you can defend yourself when the chips are down. In fact the best black belts i know dont look like or even admit to having a blackbelt they are quiety confident in their abilities not because of the belt but because of the experience they have gained through training. i imagine you are getting a similar experience through the differing arts.



My advice: Add Aikido to your knowledge base, take away what works for you, discard what dosent and add it to your capability.
?
2012-01-26 07:49:58 UTC
hmm, your way is interesting. But it's true that you should at least stick with a style untill 2nd/3rd degree. I advise to learn COMBAT martial arts. If you really wanna be a fighter then go for combat martial arts; not competive(only sport based).

You've learned few and still on your journey. That's good. Don't give up. Since you are willing to learn, try out BUTTHAN martial art: The noble art of stpping fight and empowering life. Butthan is a south asian combat martial art. Please visit www.butthan.com www.butthan.net to know more.

You should take a course of CSD. CSD- combat self defense is the most effective and realistic self defense system. The best part is that even people who aren't expert or blacl belt in martial arts can learn CSD. It's awesome!!! Please visit www.combat-selfdefense.com

Good luck! ;)
?
2012-01-26 13:37:57 UTC
MMA sems good. Or Ninja.


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