Question:
nerve strikes, do they work?
2009-03-10 13:03:25 UTC
i believe in pinpoint body strikes...
it is medical proff that a strike to the surronding area of the 1-X cranial nerve could cause death...

why do ufc fighters think that they are immune to nerve strikes? they don't have to be pinpoint at all
i know of 46 ways to kill by nerve strikes
Twelve answers:
cunamo
2009-03-10 17:20:02 UTC
Nerve strikes DO work, and really any conversation otherwise is uneducated and takes a stance of "mysticism' as its source of skepticism. Every single time a person hits their funny bone on their ELBOW and their HAND goes numb and tingly they have struck a nerve to painful effect. Every doctor can tell you that the so-called "funny-bone" is not the only nerve in the entire body that when struck can profoundly effect that body part or another body part. Western medicine has not spent centuries looking up all of these points on the body and their effects, but Eastern medicine has, and very effectively at that. Scientific evidence does exist to validate the manipulation of nerves through numerous (American, British, and European) studies done on acupuncture, which have consistently validated acupuncture's claims. Another issue in this realm is the way the term "nerve strike" is meant- nerve strikes do not only concern the nervous system as there are many pinpointed strikes that can damage the circulatory system, the digestive system, and the respiratory sustem. A punch to the temple, a choke-hold on the arteries of the neck, and a punch to the solar plexus are all examples of these strikes. I prefer to use the term pressure-point strikes, because it is not always about nerves- the strikes mentioned above must be done accurately and precisely to work correctly. Everyone knows that a choke hold must press the two arteries on the side of the throat to work, just squeezing the throat with brute strength isn't enough. Why is it so easy for us to accept that if you block the blood flow to the brain you can die, but not easy for us to accept that you can send a signal through the nervous system to the same effect? I love when people say: "no one's proved the death touch/strike" Well of course not! Think about it: where in the world is it legal to kill a person for a scientific experiment? And if it was performed and documented what scientific body would accept such an immoral experiment? Also, what does a person who dies from a nerve strike look like? A stroke victim? A heart attack victim? Even after the fact there wouldn't be any evidence to prove it either way. I'm not saying that the death strike must or even does exist, all I'm saying is that it is perfectly logical and scientific to believe it does. If you can't even admit the possibility that such a thing exists then you are a narrow-minded person whose ancestors were probably screaming and arguing with the scientists and explorers who declared the world was round. As for the UFC, I take a lot of issue with the UFC because their rules are hypocritical: no pressure-point strikes, but temple strikes and choke-outs are OK. No joint manipulation, but arm-bars (which manipulate and possibly break the elbow joints) are OK. The conduct system for the UFC is extremely biased, and the simple answer to any person who believes that they are immune to nerve attacks is that they are egotistical. The Martial Arts are not restrictive and unchanging, but open to the possibilities and progress of time, so don't scoff with an air of elitism where you could more easily use your brain and contemplate the possibilities.

Happy Training!
Arthur Dent
2009-03-10 13:16:50 UTC
Let's set aside the question of the reality of nerve strikes for a moment, which is a controversial issue.



The solar plexus, the floating ribs, the 'button' of the jaw, the liver, the temple, the occipital lobe- why bother going for pinpoint accuracy on a mobile, active, resisting opponent (an exercise difficult at best) when there are much larger, easier targets that take your opponent down just as efficiently as nerve strikes are said to?



EDIT: Additionally, I'd like to address a misconception that appears to be fairly widespread, as it has appeared in more than one answer subsequent to mine. Pressure point or nerve strikes are *not* illegal in any major Mixed Martial Arts promotion, including the UFC: the Unified Rules of Mixed Martial Arts, used by the UFC and many other promotions, do not include 'nerve strikes' or 'pressure point strikes' among their listed fouls, or indeed mention them in any part of the rules. The only things that might be construed as even limiting nerve or pressure point strikes is the prohibition against throat strikes and the rule against "pinching" the flesh, which would prevent the application of some few pressure points, but not most, and which is rarely enforced at any rate.
2009-03-10 14:00:42 UTC
Nerves are great attack points - but they vary from person to person - which can make reliance on them dangerous. There is a nerve in the forearm that is used in Aikido with a technique called Yonkyo. For some people, it works gangbusters. One of my sensei's will take the technique and flop around like a fish being electrocuted. For me, it's just kinda annoying - and this is why we don't teach it.



Sure, we are aware of it intellectuality, but there is little point in training to do it if it only works some of the time on some people. It would suck to move into it unconsciously and find out they guy you did it on is looking at you like you are a moron. Other nerve strikes are more effective to a greater part of the population. It's fun when you hit a nerve and their arm flops useless - it's much less fun when you hit the nerve and the guy says "oww" and then proceeds to beat the crap out of you.



Also, they are illegal in UFC.
callsignfuzzy
2009-03-10 13:36:22 UTC
This is silly. Any place you hit someone that's covered with skill is a nerve strike. There are billions of nerves in the human body. You can't hit someone anywhere without hitting a nerve.



I'd like to see your medical proof about 1-X cranial nerve.



I haven't heard any "UFC fighters" say anything about nerve strikes. I believe you are in fact referring to MMA fighters. Saying "UFC fighters" makes you sound ignorant. MMA is the activity. UFC is to MMA what the NBA is to basketball. But anyway, I doubt they believe in any mystical mumbo-jumbo. They live in the real world, where things like punches to the jaw and kicks to the liver win fights, not some pinpoint strike that you could never actually pull off under pressure.



I also doubt you know forty-odd ways to kill someone with a nerve strike, and I am certain you've practiced them. Otherwise, you'd be a mass murderer.
Jake Lo
2009-03-10 13:15:54 UTC
MMA fighters are not immune to nerve strikes, they just believe in hands-on beat down mentality rather than esoteric stuff like nerve strikes. Plus nerve and pressure point attacks are illegal in UFC competition along with many other more crippling attacks so there is no real use for it to an MMA fighter. Nor will you ever have the chance at entering the UFC or even using the strike to the so called "1-X" cranial nerve.



In any event, you have unfounded claims. You know of 46 ways to kill using nerve attacks, yet you have not killed much less crippled someone using them. You sir, are a piker. Even if nerve attacks are lethal, you can't make a claim without backing it up first.
Bujinkan Ninja
2009-03-10 13:25:56 UTC
Nerve strikes do not work on everyone. I don't know where you got your information, but it's incorrect. I've never heard of the "1-X cranial nerve", unless of course you mean cranial nerve X. In which case, another name for it is the Vagus nerve. A strike to it could be deadly, however the bulk of the Vagus nerve lies in your skull... rather hard to touch it without surgery. There are stems of the Vagus nerve running down your neck, however.



Nerve strikes are good to know, but not good to rely on. They don't work on everyone and they will kill even fewer if any at all. If you THINK you know 46 ways to kill by nerve strikes, you need a new teacher.
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2015-08-08 09:27:38 UTC
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nerve strikes, do they work?

i believe in pinpoint body strikes...

it is medical proff that a strike to the surronding area of the 1-X cranial nerve could cause death...



why do ufc fighters think that they are immune to nerve strikes? they don't have to be pinpoint at all

i know of 46 ways to kill by nerve strikes
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2016-03-17 02:58:39 UTC
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Hero for Hire
2009-03-10 17:51:47 UTC
46 ways to kill... Ha... I assume that you think that you know dim mak. The only deadly "nerve" attacks are on or near the neck. Everything else is a joke. Even the neck ones require a good solid blow. If you think that you are going to knock someone out or kill them with a poke you are sadly mistaken.
D D
2009-03-10 13:21:58 UTC
yup you do but you can never ever use them because we have to keep them secret. ufc fighters secretly agree before a fight that they will never use them on each other. and then they fly secret planes to japan, and train at the secret ninja monk dojo and train.
b'duks
2009-03-10 15:10:27 UTC
The more accurate it is the deadlier it is


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