how come you never see trapping techniques in mma matches or ufc?

Question

ex. wing chun trapping techniques. it seems trapping techniques are disregarded

Answer 1

For tapping to work it requires sensitivity, when your wearing gloves you don't have the sensitivity and cannot apply many subtle moves that can be applied without gloves.



The school I trained with... used to go full contact with full gear, the gloves prevented many of the techniques used in trapping such as those used in Chi Sau.

Answer 2

Wing Chun Trapping Techniques

Answer 3

Well, it does occur somewhat. But it's not going to look like the compound traps you see in movies and demonstrations. In the chaos of a fight, you're only going to be able to execute one or two "traps" before the range either closes down to clinching/wrestling or opens back up to striking/kickboxing. However, some fighters, like Lyoto Machida, Dan Henderson, and Fedor Emelianenko have been known to execute brief trapping maneuvers while either moving into the clinch or kicking off a striking exchange. They mostly come in the form of knocking the arm aside (more like a "beat" as in fencing rather than a pak sau from WCKF) or grabbing the wrist in a manner similar to a lop sau.



I think trapping has a place as an ancillary skill in MMA. Basic striking and grappling techniques deserve more time and should be taught at a beginning level, but as the student advances, trapping techniques can be added to their arsenal. However, the utility and window of opportunity for these techniques is relatively small. Most pragmatic teachers understand this; it was either Dan Inosanto or Paul Vunak who said that you spend 95% of time in training on trapping, but only 5% of your time in a real fight executing it.



I think once we see more fighters from systems like Wing Chun, Silat, and Goju Ryu karate enter MMA (and I think we WILL see them) we'll see some trapping-like manipulations show up on a more consistent basis. I still think they'll still be a rather small part of the game, but techniques like high kicks were all but absent for the first five years of MMA; now they're a staple.

Answer 4

Trapping occurs right at the onset of close range clinching/grappling. Your chances of keeping someone in that range in an MMA match is going to be extremely slim as they will simply blow past that range and directly into a grapple. They aren't going to stand there and counter-trap you.

Even so, this doesn't mean trapping or Wing Chun cannot work in MMA. Things like pak/hit or jam up/elbows can work in a mid to close situation but anything more complicated is going to be tough to pull off unless you are really good. For the most part, it has to be modified to be more simple and direct in MMA. Shawn Obasi, for example, is an MMA fighter with a Wing Chun background that has exhibited trademark techniques like direct rapid punches, pak/hit and rolling/tracing of his opponent's arms in his matches.

Answer 5

A lot of people don't understand trapping well. In MMA matches you typically see a clinch, hooks put in and then you get knees, strikes (hooks, upper cuts and elbows), stomps or a take down; most of those are more typically considered part of the grappling range. Fiddling with a trap that may or not work (keep in mind that in an MMA match your opponent is experienced and also working on you) is potentially more dangerous than playing it safe(r) with closer techniques like the ones I named above.

Answer 6

I've always wondered that to my guess is that they think getting to close standing up strait is a bad place to be. Plus wing chun isn't all about trapping it's more using there movements and making them harder on the attacker and putting them off balance along with about 90 hits in between.

Answer 7

I've seen them.

Look up Lyoto Machida.

That's all Hikite is, a form of trap, and often he uses as much of one as being clothed in speedos will allow.



A standard sleeve/lapel grip in Judo would at best equal a single collar tie with your other hand on his forearm, or maybe an over/under hook.

Not having clothes, having limits on what you can touch and limits on where you can hit tends to lead to modification of techniques.



BJJ takes on a different role in MMA tourneys where football kicks and stomps are kosher.



The Muay/double collar tie, is less used in Lerdrit (I think :S) where headbutts are allowed.



Rules don't define a style, but they definitely influence it.



Edit.

You can't trap a shoot.

You can sprawl, slap on Guillotine/Anaconda/Triangle or do a rice bail or sacrifice throw.

Knowing how to sprawl doesn't make him bad at WC, it makes him sensible.

Trapping is widely misunderstood, variable and not really specific, grabbing some guys collar and punching him in the head, kneeing the plex from a plum and doing an O-Goshi are all 'clinch fighting'

Answer 8

Check this guy out. He is in a Wing Chun stance.



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B2Nt2YSTNNA



When the wrestler shot, he didn't try to trap...just sprawl. There are other vids of him attacking with the wing chun stance...not much trapping either.



I'm not saying trapping doesn't work...just that it hasn't been proven to work in MMA...yet...

Answer 9

Cause they don't work? They are legal and the UFC has been around fir 20 years. You'll see that and Aikido dominating soon though everyone, hold your breathe and keep training lethal techniques on stuffed animals. I can't believe 20 years later I'm reading this ****.

Answer 10

They take years to get good at and if you do trap the hand, you may get called on a foul anyways, as you cannot grab any clothes including the glove.

Answer 11

I've been wondering the same thing myself.